TheStar reported:-
The family members of a detainee who was found dead in a police station barged into the Serdang Hospital mortuary to view his body, claiming he died after being assaulted.
They took photographs of the body, claiming there were wounds and injuries on his body yesterday.
Had a quick chat with a buddy on the incident of a car thief died whilst in custody and it was interesting to see things from the other end.
No proof of the suspect is a criminal
The police do not simply arrest people unless there is something to start with. It is not logic for the police to simply arrest anyone based on the color of the skin and culture. Besides, Kugan had led police to the recovery of 15 luxury cars from a warehouse in Puchong that were being prepared to be shipped overseas by the syndicate
Why use torture?
You think the suspect will simply tell the truth of his criminal activities without any coercion? It will be stupid to assume that the criminal will answer if he is asked nicely.
The police have no rights to torture
The criminal has no right to steal and make life miserable for those who the car been stolen (waste of time and money to prepare paper works, chasing on the insurance claims, police reports and others)
Anymore?
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So even if that’s the case, its alright to kill someone in custody? Then’s what’s the point of investigations and court trials and what not? The police can simply catch people they suspect and then kill them later what?
Sactyr – there are 2 sides to the coin. Of course, what the police did was inexcusable but we need to consider also whether the suspect put himself in danger by being involved in criminal activities? Anyway this is one view on the incident
Sactyr,
There was one incident happened in Puchong. My friend’s friend (INDIAN too) bought a new Camry 2.0 around Oct/Nov ’08. To those who are jumping on the current issue, he did not buy the car with easy-earned money. Lets call him (Baba – not his real name). The first day he got his brand new car he brought his friends for dinner. After that he went to fetch his very young daughter in Kinrara, Baba’s mother’s house. He parked the car in front the house gate waiting for his daughter. Car engine was ON.
That was the moment. Tada! Two INDIAN guys came in a motorbike. One fellow got into the car, locked the card and sped off. Ding di ding . . . . . These INDIAN guys can become successful magicians one day.
Just one day old brand new Camry ‘lesap’ in few seconds. I heard insurance agents were not eager to pay the insurance because they claim he did not stop the engine and secure the car. But don’t know what happened after that.
So whose fault? Who is pity. Now people jumping for a new found ‘good’ reason. How Baba would have felt at that time.
You ask me, I won’t blame the cops totally. Cops don’t give lolly-pops to suspect during interrogations, I believe. And I also do agree cops are not perfect, nor do we?
Police not ‘dunggus’ to “simply catch people they suspect and then kill them later”. They have many parties to answer later such as SUHAKAM, public & etc.
Don’t get emotional. THINK.
Sactyr, one more thing. On the just passed Ponggal day INDIAN guys broke in into my brothers house and ransacked the house. Witness = neighbours. Loss RM25,000 +++. Me too was robbed by INDIAN guys so many years back. Surely you haven’t experienced all these. 1 day you definitely will. Than you talk. Now start to THINK. Use it!
Pman,
Are you actually justifying whatever that had happenned to Kugan? Your examples are littered wit “INDIANS” and what is the point? Are you inferring that Indians deserve to be treated in such a way?
Just because there are many crimes being committed by Indians doesn’t mean that Indians are a whole terrible lot.
You are missing the whole point there, Pman. Interrogate suspects, okay. Bashing suspects, not okay. Heard of something called human rights? How many times had the police answered to SUHAKAM properly?
What’s the motive in telling Sactyr that he will one day experience all these? You’re hoping that once he gets robbed by Indians, he’s gonna be cussing at them? The big picture here is not whether an Indian did it or not. It is that the police have no right to pummel this guy in such a way, regardless of his crimes. We have the courts to hand out the punishment.
Pman – you may have your justifications but stereotyping is not. It is already bad to stereotype Indians as criminals (the other is Indonesians) – crime can be committed by anyone irregardless of colour and culture.
I strongly feel people are fooled by serials like CSI. Interrogate? Everyone is getting smarter nowday.
If you can give a good answer (to below) then I should accept:
Claimed by some that there have been records showing our people (I do not want to litter with the word “INDIANS”) were brutally treated and that-and-this have caused death in prison. So knowing all these damn right, why should our people still increasingly involved in crime even after numerous things been highlighted in media, by political leaders and etc?
Pman – true that it will not be easy to get a confession from criminals. The police may need to deploy more harsher methods to get confessions. However there must be limit to the methods used. If it is going to result in death, then something is not right either.
Further, is being a suspect makes one a criminal? Read what Aisehman have said in his blog:-
http://aisehman.org/?p=874
On question why Indians are continued to be in limelight of criminal activities, well we may not have all the answers but it could contributed by many factors namely poverty and lack of education.
Politicians may say many things on this issue but what matters is whether they have translated their talk into real action or not. Lack of opportunity in education and job only makes things worse.
The same must be said on the part of the community leaders, school, parents, family and friends
All,
Perhaps I should accept now based on the fact & what you guys have said:
“On question why Indians are continued to be in limelight of criminal activities, well we may not have all the answers but it could contributed by many factors namely poverty and lack of education.
Politicians may say many things on this issue but what matters is whether they have translated their talk into real action or not. Lack of opportunity in education and job only makes things worse.
The same must be said on the part of the community leaders, school, parents, family and friends”
Thanks for clearing the numb in my head ha ha . . .
Pman – this is just our views. We will be happy to hear good ideas from you. Thanks